Isnt blackjack exactly 50/50?

BaseballGuy · Oct 31, 2005

If you play per house rules every hand. Meaning you hit until 17 isnt it a dead on 50/50 game?

This assuming you never double down, take insurance, surrender or split.

Would have to be, no?

primetime21+ · Oct 31, 2005

no, i dont know the exact numbers anymore, but their is a pretty big house edge.

bigbet1234 · Oct 31, 2005

Get a good SD game, with S17, and DAS you can get a slight advantage, but you have to play perfect BS.

Some BJ can be 50/50, but there are lots of variables how many decks, rules, etc....

very hard to find a good BJ game nowadays, in Vegas that is.

BB

BaseballGuy · Oct 31, 2005

primetime21 said:
no, i dont know the exact numbers anymore, but their is a pretty big house edge.

How is that even possible?

You are playing as if you were the dealer. You hit all the way up to 17 regardless of what the dealer shows, never split, double down, take insurance or surrender. You both would have an equal chance of winning a hand.

Think about it.

Dante · Oct 31, 2005

BaseballGuy said:
If you play per house rules every hand. Meaning you hit until 17 isnt it a dead on 50/50 game?

This assuming you never double down, take insurance, surrender or split.

Would have to be, no?

single Deck LIVE maybe for SURE not online:lolBIG:

BaseballGuy · Oct 31, 2005

Dante said:
single Deck LIVE maybe for SURE not online:lolBIG:

No not online.. lol

JudgeWapner · Oct 31, 2005

Off top of my head, probably around 1.5% edge for house.

BaseballGuy · Oct 31, 2005

Judge Wapner said:
Off top of my head, probably around 1.5% edge for house.

HOW?

bigbet1234 · Oct 31, 2005

You can play at my casino all the time.:drink:

BB

BaseballGuy said:
How is that even possible?

You are playing as if you were the dealer. You hit all the way up to 17 regardless of what the dealer shows, never split, double down, take insurance or surrender. You both would have an equal chance of winning a hand.

Think about it.

FatTony · Oct 31, 2005

House edge.

Blackjacka Atlantic City rules 0.43% 1.2
Blackjackb Las Vegas single deck 0.18% 1.2

BaseballGuy · Oct 31, 2005

Fat Tony said:
Blackjacka Atlantic City rules 0.43% 1.2
Blackjackb Las Vegas single deck 0.18% 1.2

I still don't get how the casino has the advantage if you are playing exactly as the dealer does.

bigbet1234 · Oct 31, 2005

For the ploppy that doesnt know jack. you can get it down to about .64% roughly, playing a 6D game DAS, S17 without counting. Count, and double your bet at +1 and above, and play about break even.

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Judge Wapner said:
Off top of my head, probably around 1.5% edge for house.

bigbet1234 · Oct 31, 2005

El cortez has the best SD i think in Vegas, but you will be kicked out fairly quick, and i think their limits are $50 max bet.

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Fat Tony said:
Blackjacka Atlantic City rules 0.43% 1.2
Blackjackb Las Vegas single deck 0.18% 1.2

BaseballGuy · Oct 31, 2005

bigbet1234 said:
For the ploppy that doesnt know jack. you can get it down to about .64% roughly, playing a 6D game DAS, S17 without counting. Count, and double your bet at +1 and above, and play about break even.

BB

You arent answering my question. How does the house have any kind of advantage if you and the dealer are playing to the same exact rules?

bigbet1234 · Oct 31, 2005

You cant see the dealers hole card, so you have to assume what he has, not always assuming right, but playing by the strategy.

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BaseballGuy said:
I still don't get how the casino has the advantage if you are playing exactly as the dealer does.

JudgeWapner · Oct 31, 2005

The house gets the edge because you have to play before the dealer, and if you bust, house wins.

BaseballGuy · Oct 31, 2005

bigbet1234 said:
You cant see the dealers hole card, so you have to assume what he has, not always assuming right, but playing by the strategy.

BB

Dude it doesnt matter what the dealers hole card is.. The dealer hits regardless of what the players cards show.

You would do the same.. Just hit up until 17 regardless

BaseballGuy · Oct 31, 2005

Judge Wapner said:
The house gets the edge because you have to play before the dealer, and if you bust, house wins.

AHHHH.. Finally an answer..

Makes sense. :103631605

bigbet1234 · Oct 31, 2005

And rules vary, you are playing at a bigger disadvantage if there is no double(like double 10, 11 only) or no double after splits(NDAS) and if blackjack pays 6/5 instead of 3/2, you are toast.

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BaseballGuy said:
You arent answering my question. How does the house have any kind of advantage if you and the dealer are playing to the same exact rules?

GreenDoberman · Oct 31, 2005

The house has an edge because you play your cards first, therefore you have to make a decision based on incomplete data.

Proper basic strategy dictates that the house edge varies based on the rules the house sets forth. This is dependent on # of decks, doubling and splitting rules, hit/stand soft 17, surrender, and any other variables.

There was a time when a few casinos offered games that gave the players the edge off of the top of the deck due to player-beneficial rules.

The house edge after each hand is dependent on the composition of the remaining cards left in the deck. I won't go into the math, but the house edge changes every hand.

There are ways to nullify rules that give the house the edge, but that is another topic beyond the scope of this discussion.